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Old Olympic Lifter
10-18-2005, 01:12 AM
Hi everyone

As I previously mentioned to JeffS in a seperate post,the noted Iron Game historian,David P.Willoughby,took the bodily measurements of the ten competitors at the 1979 WSM contest in Los Angeles,using a tape which had been first checked for accuracy against a steel tape.

Two of the largest men measured by Willoughby at this contest were powerlifting stars Don Reinhoudt and Bill Kazmaier.Reinhoudt,the contest victor,stood around 6'3"and weiged 345lbs at the time.His large boned measurements included a 9.4" wrist with a 17.2" forearm (measured in STRAIGHT position) and a 22" biceps,also a 20" neck,59.5" chest (measured normal),31.5" thigh,and a 19" calf.
Kaz,who was probably the most 'muscular' superheavyweight lifter of all time,stood 6.2" and weighed about 320lbs at this particular contest.His 8.8" wrist swelled the tape out to a 17" forearm and 21.5" biceps,along with a 22" neck,58.5" chest,42.2" waist,31.5" thigh,and a 20.4" calf with 11" ankles.

Swedish powerlifter Lars Hedlund,who at his peak bench pressed 628lbs in competition(NO bench shirt),stood 6'3" and weighed around 315lbs in relatively trim condition.He was lighter boned than his rivals with an 8" wrist,15.1" forearm,20" biceps,18.7" neck,56" chest,and a 29.2" thigh.Willoughby commented on the exceptional size of Hedlund for his relatively small bones,with a biceps 2.5 times that of his wrist size,and a chest SEVEN times as large!!!.

Amongst the 'smaller' competitors measured by Willoughby was former Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker,Jon Kolb.At 6'3" and 'only' 255 lbs,Kolb had an 8.4" wrist,14.5" forearm,18" biceps,18.1" neck,49.7" chest,27.5" thigh,and an 18.1"calf.The interesting point about these measurements was how close Kolb came to the oldtime so called 'classical' standard of ideal bodily proportions where the biceps,neck,and calf were all supposed to measure the same.

The largest man at the contest by far was the arm wrestling giant from Georgia,Cleve Dean,who reputedly stood 6'7" and weighed in the vicinity of around 450lbs!!.His huge measurements included a massive 10.2" wrist,18" forearm and 23.2" biceps,along with a 23" neck,62" chest,and a 37" thigh.Willoughby commented that these were definitely the largest measurements that he ever took of any man.

In addition to the ten competitors,Willoughby also measured several of the 'spectators' present,including the massively muscular bench presser,Doug Young.At about 5'11" and 265lbs,the mighty Texan's measurements included a 7.7" wrist,15.7" forearm,20.5" biceps,21.2" neck,56" chest,29.1" thigh,and a 17.1" calf.The remarkable thing about Doug's measurements were his incredible proportions:a neck 2.75 times his wrist size,a biceps-wrist ratio of 2.66,a phenomenal forearm-wrist ratio of 2.04,and a chest 7.27 times his wrist size!!!.Needless to say,these were the highest ratios ever measured by Willoughby.

I hope that the above statistics might be of some interest to fellow members of this forum,as IMHO they give an accurate indication of the REAL muscle size attainable for a large man,as opposed to the grossly exaggerated claims made through the years by many bodybuilders,etc.

Regards and best wishes
Ron Mann

ms_irreverent
10-18-2005, 06:39 AM
That's quite interesting. Think I'll have to check out my biceps-to-wrist ratio sometime. :mrgreen:

In all seriousness, though, it really is instructive, and, as you say, is a nice reality check. Thanks for posting it!

Old Olympic Lifter
10-19-2005, 05:38 PM
Hi ms_I
Thanks very much for your acknowledgement of my post.

I was initially a little dubious about posting on this topic,as I wasn't too sure that it would have any real appeal to members of this website.It was actually reading about the recent sad passing of Doug Young which reminded me of Willoughby's article,as normally I don't pay much heed to physical measurements - I learnt many long years ago that they have very little significance in the areas of real strength.
I was an impressionable frail and 'skinny' ectomorph in my late teens when I purchased my first set of weights,and I was initially quite fascinated by the some of the large measurements reported in the magazines for various bodybuilding stars of that era.Fortunately,nine
months 'down the track',I met up with a team of local lifters who soon 'set me straight' on the relative unimportance of 'bulging biceps',etc <G>.Thanks once again for your response.

My regards and best wishes
Ron Mann

Marty
10-28-2005, 07:00 AM
both doug and his brother were ATHLETES first and lifters second - when doug turned his full attention to lifting he shot up the feeding chain real fast - like cash (wrestling) gamble (track and field) furnas (football) or Hatfield (gymnast/pole vaulter) - I have said for decades that the best lifting talent is playing in the NFL - genetic specimans who develop a work ethic invariably rise to the top -

srh
11-03-2005, 07:56 PM
Marty you are correct, One fellow at the University of Miami (near where I live) who is now a star in the NFL was able to power clean with very little leg dip 370 at 225 lbs. in addition to a full squat of over 500 and a bench press of 400. He also was on the track team and ran an official 10.83 100 meters. He was not really a specialist in the power clean but did it in the offseason training program.

The potential of NFL money has caught the eye of people from the time they are in their teens if not earlier. One example I remember was Larry Csonka the great fullback of the Miami Dolphins in the early 1970s when they played in 3 super bowls winning two said his best yearly income in 1973 was $ 55,000. and he was a consistent 1,000 plus yard runner in the old 14 game format. At that time my father was making over $30,000 and was not considered rich or wealthy. Today the minimum salary for a " bench warmer" is at least 10-15 times or more what the average man/woman's salary is. The jest of this is that the salaries were not what they are today and many people stayed with lifting.

Randy