Lorrie
08-18-2006, 09:36 AM
There is a new show this Sunday called Fight Science that looks good. It's on the Nat. Geo. channel at 9:00. Of course that's the same time as Deadwood.:(
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Tom
08-18-2006, 01:47 PM
The martial arts sites are all abuzz. I don't recognize all the names, but the ones I do recognize (Rickson Gracie, Dean Lister, Dan Inosanto, Toshishiro Obata) are pretty serious dudes. I don't think I get that channel, though. Rats!
zebulondragonslayer
08-18-2006, 03:03 PM
Man, it looks cool as hell - ----- here is a preview:
http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/channel/fightscience/videoPreview.html
http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/channel/fightscience/videoPreview.html
zebulondragonslayer
08-18-2006, 03:18 PM
Thanks Lorrie for mentioning this !
For the first time, "Fight Science" brings together members of the crash-test industry, the sports biomechanics industry, and the Hollywood animation industry—applying their combined expertise and technology to a diverse range of martial arts techniques, including karate, kung fu, jiu jitsu, tae kwon do, muay Thai, and wushu, among others. The results reveal the comparative strengths, advantages, and limitations of the various martial arts styles. And in a breakthrough combination of technologies, scientists are able to peer inside a fighter's body in real time.
"Fight Science" tests and films world-renowned martial artists, hand-picked to represent various disciplines, in a custom-built combination dojo, high-tech lab, and film studio that took over a year to design and build. Are the legends true? Is there such a thing as a death punch? How much force does each fighter exert? With 32 infrared motion capture cameras, three high-definition cameras, and three ultra-high-speed cameras, the studio allows the crash test and biomechanics scientists to measure and map the speed, force, range, and impact of muscles and bones in the fighters' bodies.
The motion-capture technique, requiring reflective markers over the fighters' entire bodies, allows for sophisticated real-time three-dimensional models. These results are combined with other data to create separate sophisticated animations of the fighters' bones, muscles, and nerves. "Fight Science" juxtaposes the fighters' movements with their animated selves for unprecedented insight into exactly how the body generates each move.
Over the centuries, martial arts fighters have supplemented their techniques with instruments like staffs, swords, and nunchuk developed to magnify death-dealing potential. "Fight Science" also explores how the designs and techniques of weaponry can exponentially increase an already fearsome fighter's impact, control, and range.
1. "Fight Science" brings together ballistics, biomechanics, and crash-test technology for the first time ever.
2. Engineers measure and map the speed, force, and range of nerves, muscles, bones, and weapons.
3. Data is collected at 20,000 samples per second.
4. The motion-capture technique requires reflective markers over the fighters' bodies, allowing for sophisticated animation of bones, muscles, and nerves.
5. Filming took place in a custom-built dojo—equipped with 32 infrared motion-capture cameras, three high-definition cameras, and three high-speed cameras.
6. The technology allows scientists to peer inside a fighter's body as he moves in real time.
7. Special sensors—used in NASA spacesuits, sports science, and the crash-test industry—take data from inside the fighters' shoes to see how some are able to maintain catlike balance no matter what the obstacle.
8. Measurements indicate that a kung fu punch travels 40 feet (12.19 meters) per second, four times faster than a cobra strike.
9. Data indicates tae kwon do fighters react in only 0.18 seconds-nearly twice as fast as the blink of a human eye.
10. The human body has 206 bones, more than 600 muscles, and miles of nerves.
11. The foot and ankle contain 26 bones, 33 joints, and more than 1,000 muscles, tendons, and ligaments.
12. Motion-capture shows that the punch starts not in the fists, but in the feet.
For the first time, "Fight Science" brings together members of the crash-test industry, the sports biomechanics industry, and the Hollywood animation industry—applying their combined expertise and technology to a diverse range of martial arts techniques, including karate, kung fu, jiu jitsu, tae kwon do, muay Thai, and wushu, among others. The results reveal the comparative strengths, advantages, and limitations of the various martial arts styles. And in a breakthrough combination of technologies, scientists are able to peer inside a fighter's body in real time.
"Fight Science" tests and films world-renowned martial artists, hand-picked to represent various disciplines, in a custom-built combination dojo, high-tech lab, and film studio that took over a year to design and build. Are the legends true? Is there such a thing as a death punch? How much force does each fighter exert? With 32 infrared motion capture cameras, three high-definition cameras, and three ultra-high-speed cameras, the studio allows the crash test and biomechanics scientists to measure and map the speed, force, range, and impact of muscles and bones in the fighters' bodies.
The motion-capture technique, requiring reflective markers over the fighters' entire bodies, allows for sophisticated real-time three-dimensional models. These results are combined with other data to create separate sophisticated animations of the fighters' bones, muscles, and nerves. "Fight Science" juxtaposes the fighters' movements with their animated selves for unprecedented insight into exactly how the body generates each move.
Over the centuries, martial arts fighters have supplemented their techniques with instruments like staffs, swords, and nunchuk developed to magnify death-dealing potential. "Fight Science" also explores how the designs and techniques of weaponry can exponentially increase an already fearsome fighter's impact, control, and range.
1. "Fight Science" brings together ballistics, biomechanics, and crash-test technology for the first time ever.
2. Engineers measure and map the speed, force, and range of nerves, muscles, bones, and weapons.
3. Data is collected at 20,000 samples per second.
4. The motion-capture technique requires reflective markers over the fighters' bodies, allowing for sophisticated animation of bones, muscles, and nerves.
5. Filming took place in a custom-built dojo—equipped with 32 infrared motion-capture cameras, three high-definition cameras, and three high-speed cameras.
6. The technology allows scientists to peer inside a fighter's body as he moves in real time.
7. Special sensors—used in NASA spacesuits, sports science, and the crash-test industry—take data from inside the fighters' shoes to see how some are able to maintain catlike balance no matter what the obstacle.
8. Measurements indicate that a kung fu punch travels 40 feet (12.19 meters) per second, four times faster than a cobra strike.
9. Data indicates tae kwon do fighters react in only 0.18 seconds-nearly twice as fast as the blink of a human eye.
10. The human body has 206 bones, more than 600 muscles, and miles of nerves.
11. The foot and ankle contain 26 bones, 33 joints, and more than 1,000 muscles, tendons, and ligaments.
12. Motion-capture shows that the punch starts not in the fists, but in the feet.
Lorrie
08-18-2006, 03:58 PM
Your welcome! I thought you all would like it. I think I'll catch Deadwood on reruns.
Marty
08-19-2006, 07:36 AM
hey grrrrl - it was GREAT to see you - we all commented about how 'rocked out' you looked - particularly after the towel curls - we are still hot about Carl he nutritionist - I talked to him and he is excited about seeing you - we'll wait for a couple weeks than venture down and together head over to meet him - what is 'fight science' about?
Lorrie
08-19-2006, 10:57 AM
The towel curls were one of the coolest lifting experiences for me ever. Seeing how you were managing the exercise was as interesting as doing it.
Marty grabbed the ends of a towel and I grabbed the midde. I sat on an incline bench and he stood in front of me and made like a curl machine. As I warmed up during my first set, he gradually increased the tension till I hit a high spot and started to tire. Then he eased up so each rep was all I could handle and he slowed the reps down, determining just how much I energy I had left and using it all up. So each rep was calibrated to do it's worst, much like each set is calculated to what you can do at that instant.
Fight Science is a group of scientists who made a lab to figure out and demonstrate clinically what martial artists know by intuition. They are trying to explain things like the one inch punch like I just tried to explain your towel curls. They will do a much better job! And they've got all sorts of nifty graffics too. If you don't get the channel, I'm recording it and you can see it when you come down.
Marty grabbed the ends of a towel and I grabbed the midde. I sat on an incline bench and he stood in front of me and made like a curl machine. As I warmed up during my first set, he gradually increased the tension till I hit a high spot and started to tire. Then he eased up so each rep was all I could handle and he slowed the reps down, determining just how much I energy I had left and using it all up. So each rep was calibrated to do it's worst, much like each set is calculated to what you can do at that instant.
Fight Science is a group of scientists who made a lab to figure out and demonstrate clinically what martial artists know by intuition. They are trying to explain things like the one inch punch like I just tried to explain your towel curls. They will do a much better job! And they've got all sorts of nifty graffics too. If you don't get the channel, I'm recording it and you can see it when you come down.
Sean
08-22-2006, 03:05 PM
I watched the first hour of the show and was terribly dissapointed. The science was poorly done.
Everything they said was in absolutes. They had a 130 wushu guy throwing a 1 inch punch and then comparing it to a 200 lb boxer throwing a straight punch. Then they say that boxing throws the hardest punches.
Take a 200 lb kung fu stylist, one that fights not does forms and see the numbers.
To get real scientific results, same size participants, same skill level, throwing the same technique.
They called the ninja "the ultimate warrior." Please, read history.
Finally, they said Ninja use "dim mak." They used pressure points (like alot of arts do.) However "dim mak" is mandarin for death touch. Death touch is a chinese kung fu technique not a ninjitsu technique.
The only thing that I appreciated is that they showed that on most punches and kicks, that it is not a single process but a chain of processes that result in power. When I teach kung fu or jujitsu. That is one of the hardest concepts for people to understand.
Everything they said was in absolutes. They had a 130 wushu guy throwing a 1 inch punch and then comparing it to a 200 lb boxer throwing a straight punch. Then they say that boxing throws the hardest punches.
Take a 200 lb kung fu stylist, one that fights not does forms and see the numbers.
To get real scientific results, same size participants, same skill level, throwing the same technique.
They called the ninja "the ultimate warrior." Please, read history.
Finally, they said Ninja use "dim mak." They used pressure points (like alot of arts do.) However "dim mak" is mandarin for death touch. Death touch is a chinese kung fu technique not a ninjitsu technique.
The only thing that I appreciated is that they showed that on most punches and kicks, that it is not a single process but a chain of processes that result in power. When I teach kung fu or jujitsu. That is one of the hardest concepts for people to understand.
Lorrie
08-22-2006, 03:42 PM
Mr. Lorrie writing here: We were disappointed too. They could have done so much more with the tools they had there. Sean is right, the science was poorly done (and I'm a scientist). It would be cool to see how modifications of technique affect the results with real quantitative answers. It would really be interesting to demonstrate the importance of velocity versus mass, and the shocking speed (and consequently power) a master can attain.
One point that really annoyed me: They had the brick breakers breaking huge stacks, but then he could only break about 8 with a sledgehammer. This doesn't reveal anything - they should have had a sledgehammer "expert" break the bricks - say maybe a teenager who split firewood all his life, or maybe the guy who runs the hammer thing at the carnival. He'd teach them a thing or two about breaking bricks with a sledgehammer.
And the weapons! While I largely agreed with the point that the katana is the most versatile weapon of those they examined, why limit yourself to eastern weapons? And how was there any science involved? It would have been interesting to demonstrate the impact and damage generated by modern weapons in comparison. In a fight, all traditional eastern weapons pale to a 0.45 cal. M1911, so let's examine the science of that!
One point that really annoyed me: They had the brick breakers breaking huge stacks, but then he could only break about 8 with a sledgehammer. This doesn't reveal anything - they should have had a sledgehammer "expert" break the bricks - say maybe a teenager who split firewood all his life, or maybe the guy who runs the hammer thing at the carnival. He'd teach them a thing or two about breaking bricks with a sledgehammer.
And the weapons! While I largely agreed with the point that the katana is the most versatile weapon of those they examined, why limit yourself to eastern weapons? And how was there any science involved? It would have been interesting to demonstrate the impact and damage generated by modern weapons in comparison. In a fight, all traditional eastern weapons pale to a 0.45 cal. M1911, so let's examine the science of that!
CinnamonGirl
08-22-2006, 05:04 PM
Hello, Mr. Lorrie!! :P :P :wink:
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